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Daniel Scott Post 1

20 February 2016, 9:56 PM

Week 6 Task

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Here are my scorings for the two tests. I did each twice, one from a coaching point of view, the other from a rugby playing point of view. It was interesting for me becuase if I was asked the same questions a couple of seasons ago, or possibly even less, the rugby answers would be vastly different.

I preferred the GRIT test to the PCDE. I found the PCDE revealed less about the individual and looked more at the support and environment. It didn't translate as well to the coaching PoV which is understandable as it was developed more with performers in mind, but with such a focus on supporting figures the score could be vastly different depending on the coach they're thinking of. I actually would use the PCDE to evaluate the coach and environment from the players point of view rather the psychological character of the athlete. I preferred the GRIT test, it was shorter, this tends to be perceived as simplicity, at least within the rather slower mental circles of rugby players, so athletes are more likely to do it. The questions are short, to the point, and most importantly in my eyes, all focused on the athlete. If I'm trying to evaluate an athlete I don't see the benefit in spending most of my time looking at coach/teacher input. I do feel that both can probably be improved upon, and that the optimum combination of questions could be quite fluid depending on the context.

Looking at the two tests I would use the GRIT with athletes I currently coach if I wanted to evaluate psychological characteristics. I'd use the PCDE to evaluate two things; the players perception of the coach input/views and the environment being created. And if I had new athlete's coming in; to gauge what kind of coaching and environment they're coming from and to gauge what input I'll need to have the impact and develop the values and character I see as critical for sporting excellence.

What I think could possibly provide insight is the spread of the answers as well as the answers specifically. For instance when I was doing my first test (I didn't use this one as my context was mixed and so a bit vague) I couldn't bring myself to put 'very much like me' for several of the positive answers ( e.g I am a hard worker) because for me I think people can nearly always push a bit harder and on top of that I always know when I've taken the easier option, not necessarily the wrong one, just easier. For instance I'll sometimes completely change one of my gym sessions because I feel beaten down and am really struggling. If it was someone I coach I probably wouldn't bat an eye at reducing the session, but I struggle to view my own training in that impartial manner. It was a similar story on some of the more negative questions and putting 'Not like me at all', as I would almost put it then a single example would pop in my head. So I found it difficult to talk in those more absolute terms, this could possibly give an insight into players thinking if it revealed itself as a constant. For me I think it highlights something I have always struggled with, especially when analysing a rugby performance; my ability to recognise and acknowledge the positives within my performance. As a person I tend to focus on the negatives, it's nice when someone compliments me on something but I actually get frustrated when I ask someone to analyse a performance in something and they say something on the lines of 'I did fine/it's good, relax'. I always want something I can be focusing on and improving. So I feel that maybe this could be plotted in questionnaires like these but it would likely require an already strong understanding of the athlete and at least a couple questionnaires spread out over several months or over a year to see if the answers tend  to stay around that pattern.

I did have some more thoughts on this but my brain doesn't seem to be working much just now so I'll leave it there for now.

My first ever 'Robin Hood'

Grahame Cotterill Post 2 (summarised) in reply to 1

21 February 2016, 4:51 PM
These two test were interesting to me at two levels. On a personal level I...
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Christine Nash

Christine Nash Post 4 (summarised) in reply to 2

22 February 2016, 8:51 AM
Grahame I think that attitudes/perceptions change - the grit scale has a...
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Grahame Cotterill Post 6 (summarised) in reply to 4

22 February 2016, 9:18 AM
Christine, i seem to have missed the scoring sheet. I am in catch up mode at...
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Grahame Cotterill Post 8 (summarised) in reply to 4

22 February 2016, 10:57 AM Edited by the author on 22 February 2016, 11:01 AM
Grit score 4 Consistency of Interest Score 4 Perseverence of Effort 3 Brief...
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Christine Nash

Christine Nash Post 3 (summarised) in reply to 1

22 February 2016, 8:50 AM
Dan - this is a very comprehensive response. To pick up on a couple of...
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Daniel Scott Post 5 (summarised) in reply to 3

22 February 2016, 9:05 AM
If I'd done these tests even a short while ago I don't think there would have...
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Daniel Scott Post 7 (summarised) in reply to 1

22 February 2016, 10:53 AM
Updated Grit questionnaire with score.
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Christopher Duncan Post 9 (summarised) in reply to 7

22 February 2016, 9:18 PM
Dan - where did you find the scoring chart?
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Daniel Scott Post 10 (summarised) in reply to 9

22 February 2016, 10:39 PM
Christine has attached it with the questionnaires. It's at the bottom of one...
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Christopher Duncan Post 11 (summarised) in reply to 1

23 February 2016, 9:21 AM
My scores as follows: Grit 4.4 Consistency of interest 4.3 Perseverance of...
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Christine Nash

Christine Nash Post 12 (summarised) in reply to 11

23 February 2016, 5:52 PM
OK so we have some scores but 2 questions: - what do the scores mean? - are...
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Christopher Duncan Post 13 (summarised) in reply to 12

23 February 2016, 7:22 PM
it is pretty interesting looking st my scores. They do seem quite high but I...
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Daniel Scott Post 14 (summarised) in reply to 12

23 February 2016, 7:36 PM
I don't think the scores mean a huge amount. They show how we perceive...
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Christine Nash

Christine Nash Post 15 (summarised) in reply to 14

23 February 2016, 8:23 PM
Some excellent points made by both Chris & Dan. I think there are a number of...
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Grahame Cotterill Post 16 (summarised) in reply to 14

23 February 2016, 8:54 PM
I agree with you Dan and the possibility of self delusion is so easy. The...
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Christopher Duncan Post 18 (summarised) in reply to 16

23 February 2016, 9:22 PM
What's your view on age groups Grahame? In schools, the rule of thumb is that...
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Grahame Cotterill Post 20 (summarised) in reply to 18

25 February 2016, 9:03 PM
It depends on the sport Chris I see nothing wrong with athletes competing at...
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Christopher Duncan Post 21 (summarised) in reply to 20

25 February 2016, 9:16 PM
I constantly have this discussion because in hockey there is no physical...
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Grahame Cotterill Post 22 (summarised) in reply to 21

26 February 2016, 5:16 PM
In my limited experience Kids are delighted to get a game. Sometimes the...
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Christopher Duncan Post 17 (summarised) in reply to 14

23 February 2016, 9:20 PM
True Dan. I wonder how the scores would look if you got your athletes to fill...
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Christine Nash

Christine Nash Post 19 (summarised) in reply to 17

24 February 2016, 9:43 AM
I have not come across Grit's use in coaching yet. I'm actually writing an...
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